While working on Brain Magnet, I got the chance to sit down for a chat with Michigan State University’s Julian Chambliss. A true polymath of a scholar, Julian writes about the “real and imagined city,” exploring everything from the history of urban planning and comic books to visual culture, digital humanities, and Afrofuturism. He was the perfect person to frame a discussion about how the pervasive discourse of the “creative class” and “creative city” sits within the history of urban and economic policy, with a critical eye toward issues of equity and social justice. Here is the episode of Julian’s series Rethinking the City that we recorded.